“My grandfather used to say, aim for the moon and you might catch a star on the way down. And at his funeral, I gave a sort of eulogy and told everyone this story and said, ‘I assume everyone’s heard this one from him because he was a storyteller.’ There were about a hundred people there, and they were like, ’ No, we’ve not heard that story. But afterwards, fifteen, twenty people did come up to me and say, ‘He sent me a letter, and he told me this, a different thing. And he told me that…’ And I guess one of my biggest inspirations, which is why I try and mentor, because I think he mentored me without saying, ‘Greig, I’m mentoring you.’ But I’ve realized that I need to mentor people, and actually, I think all of us need to mentor and to be mentored.” – Greig Watts
This episode is the second half of my conversation with author, songwriter, and music publisher Greig Watts as we discuss bridging the gap between creativity and the practical side of business, his tips for dealing with the inevitable rejections that come in the music industry, and how a teacher who literally washed kids’ mouths out with soap influenced his own approach to teaching students.
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(00:00) – Balancing Art and Business
As the second half of our conversation starts, Greig tells us about some of the early influences that turned him both towards and, to some extent, away from sound. “I remember having my school’s careers interview,” he recalls, “and they said, ‘What do you want to be?’ ‘A songwriter and a business person.’ And they were like, ‘No, you need a job.’ And I was like, ‘songwriter.’ And eventually I sort of said, ‘Well, you know, I am running my own business, and I am writing songs.’” He talks about the wisdom his grandfather shared with him and how he now mentors other musicians, including teaching them that rejection isn’t a personal failure. “It’s not that you’re not good enough,” he explains, “it’s that someone else’s song fitted [the project] better than yours. That means you could have had the best song, but their song fitted the criteria, so [your] song can still go somewhere else.”
(12:51) – Keeping the Dream Alive
Greig tells us about his first book, originally written during COVID-19 when he wanted to share what he’s learned with his children. “It’s called Keeping the Dream Alive, [because] I’m a dreamer. So that’s the main thing. But then it has the subtitle of A Songwriter’s Guide to Overcoming Rejection, Finding Success, and, most importantly, I think, Enjoying the Journey Along the Way.” We discuss the power of sound and one particularly poignant memory of his grandmother, who suffered from dementia in her later years. “They’d just done their Christmas nativity play,” he recalls. “So I said to them, ‘Why don’t you sing ‘Silent Night?’’ And so they sang ‘Silent Night,’ and up she sat, and she sang it with them. And then at the end, when we’d finished, she sang a verse that we never even knew.”
(24:06) – The Difference Teachers Make
As our conversation wraps up, Greig shares his own thoughts about the power of sound, and how deeply it can connect us with the past. “As a 35-year-old man,” he recalls hearing the 1970s Incredible Hulk theme for the first time in years, “I started crying, and I was like, ‘Why am I crying? I don’t know why I’m crying.’ And then I remembered I used to watch this when I was seven, and I always used to feel sad at that point. So the memory thirty years later triggered the same emotion.” He talks about the impact teachers have made on his life, both good and bad, and how he strives to use the lessons he’s learned from them while teaching the next generation of songwriters. “They will never hear me shout at them,” he says. “I might shout an instruction across to just make sure, but not an aggressive shout because that’s not my job. My job is to give them instructions, then they go out and do it.”
Episode Summary
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Greig shares how his grandfather inspired his mentoring philosophy.
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Our conversation about how neurodiverse people can excel in creativity.
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The importance of understanding the business side of songwriting.
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